Wednesday, 28 May 2008

Tagging Sucks

The Tate Modern is currently hosting a street art exhibition, and whilst the Tate is often a ground for grumbling traditionalists to have a whinge – is a fluorescent tube light really art etc – I rather like graffiti – in fact, I like it A LOT. But I’m not a fan of ‘taggers’.

Of course, there’s always that age olde question of, is graffiti art? (and is ‘tagging’ art?). The olde ‘what is art’ question is not a simple one to answer, and whilst some traditionalists will forever wander round modern art galleries loudly lambasting pickled cows or messy beds, how often do they ask the simple questions?

1) WHAT IS THE NATURE OF AN ART OBJECT? What distinguishes art from non-art? What good is it? What is the function of the object? How can I tell a good one? A question of taste?
2) WHAT IS AN AESTHETIC EXPERIENCE? What goes on inside us when we encounter an art object (cognitive, sensory, emotional etc). What makes such encounters worth having or seeing? Does it cultivate something in us? Is it educational?
3) HOW DOES ART DEVELOP AS A SOCIAL INSTITUTION? Are the things we value about art dependent on what someone decides is valuable? Whose art are we talking about? Is art a timeless concept, or one whose meaning changes over time? Can or should art be critical of society? Does it give us a vision of a romantic or better world?
4) WHAT DOES THE ARTIST DO THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT NON-ARTISTS DO? Art as a practice – what is an artistic creation? Is it purely a matter of technique, or does it involve genius and inspiration? What is the nature of the creative process? What role do intention and self expression play? For art to be art, is an audience necessary? What is communicated to the audience?

More questions than answers perhaps – but is that the very nature of what art is? Something that raises more questions than answers?

One of the questions that I would like answered – mainly for my own sanity – is the difference between graffiti and tagging. Whilst I think there is a big difference, I haven’t yet been able to rationalise this difference, and why I like one and not the other. Graffiti can be beautiful. It can raise important cultural, political and social questions. It can be ‘technically’ impressive. It can brighten up an area. It makes people think about issues they may not have thought of. Providing it’s not cleaned off walls by local councils, it can be timeless. It can give us a vision of a better world. It involves creativity and inspiration. And so on. What about tagging? Some tags – the more intricate ones – can be beautiful. Some can be ‘techically’ impressive. In fact, it ticks most, if not all, of the graffiti boxes, but it irritates me. You know the ones – like where kids scratch their tag onto a train window, or with one single can of paint, scrawl their tag on a garage door. It seems to me that little thought goes into this. Very few tags provide me with an aesthetically pleasing experience. I think one thing I don’t like about ‘tagging’ is its apparent lack of skill.

Whilst I don’t think these sorts of discussions need to necessarily be grounded in theory of any sort – thinking about theory can raise yet even more questions.

Plato and Aristotle (very difficult to distinguish between the two’s work) believed that the essence of art (assuming tagging is art) is mimesis – a sense of perceptual realism – something that mirrors reality. I rather like these thinkers’ ideas, but I don’t think that art necessarily always mirrors reality – in fact, far from it. Much of art – including graffiti, does and can mirror reality…but tagging doesn’t – what’s in a name?

Later in history, Renaissance writers argued that art is not just a technical skill, and later thinkers’ attention focused on the nature of the aesthetic experience, for example, Abbe Batteux (1746) who believed that fine art should be defined as something which brings pleasure for its own sake (connected to what Aristotle thought about art and beauty). Graffiti brings me an enormous aesthetic pleasure. Tagging doesn’t. Not only does tagging involve next to no skill, it brings no pleasure. None.

Romanticists believed that creating art is far more than just a reliance on rules, and that social inspiration is required to create an artwork – a special power of imagination. In this context, the possession of inspiration is what is meant by genius. Kant’s successor Hegel agreed with this, and took the stance that art embodies freedom (and a sense that people who can produce art are of a higher social status). If this is so, what imagination or inspiration do taggers have? It is quite clear that plenty of graffiti artists create inspired pieces – presumably aroused by their individual imagination and thoughts. But again, I’m not sure that taggers possess this inspiration or imagination.

Psychoanalysis and social theory (Freud, Marx, feminism etc) had a significant impact on those thinking about art and aesthetics, and thought shifted to the idea that artists were attached to a certain culture and therefore expressing deep psychological structures and the values of a particular class. If this is so, what does this say about taggers?...

Let’s forget theory for a second…Britain’s most prominent graffiti artists – by the name of Banksy – is probably the best known artist in his field. Best known by his work of course. Despite trying to keep his identity a secret, the Evening Standard printed pictures of him a few years ago. Banksy’s portolio is impressive. Not only are his stencil’s impressive – they raise important questions and issues, they’re aesthetically pleasing, they provide often utopian imagery, and challenge existing social norms. Examples include the kissing policemen, the ‘by order of the national highways agency this wall is a designated graffiti area’, ‘what are you looking at’ (aimed at a CCTV camera), ‘this is not a photo opportunity’, stencils on the segregation wall in Palestine, Queen Victoria sitting on a hooker’s face, ‘Boring’ on the South Bank, and many, many more. Near most of Banksy’s pieces is his familiar tag. Not exciting. Not skilled. But merely denotes that it’s his work. Those tags I don’t mind. Not because they’re Banksy’s, but because they’re merely a signatory to his work.

Tagging sucks. Anyone disagree?

Here’s what Banksy has to say about it all…

Graffiti is not the lowest form of art. Despite having to creep about at night and lie to your mum it’s actually the most honest artform available. There is no elitism or hype, it exhibits on some of the best walls a town has to offer, and nobody is put off by the price of admission. A wall has always been the best place to publish your work. The people who run our cities don’t understand graffiti because they think nothing has the right to exist unless it makes a profit. But if you just value money then your opinion is worthless. They say graffiti frightens people and is symbolic of the decline in society, but graffiti is only dangerous in the mind of three types of people; politicians, advertising executives and graffiti writers. The people who truly deface our neighbourhoods are the companies that scrawl their giant slogans across buildings and buses trying to make us feel inadequate unless we buy their stuff. They expect to be able to shout their message in your face from every available surface but you’re never allowed to answer back. Well, they started this fight and the wall is the weapon of choice to hit them back. Some people become cops because they want to make the world a better place. Some people become vandals because they want to make the world a better looking place.

17 comments:

Bulldog said...

hi rachel nice to see your still alive! I've had no-one to debate with on-line for over a week now, which means frau bulldog has missed you too indirectly;-) far as I'm concerned "tagging" is more like animals territorial marking, They are just saying (to my great annoyance) "I was here", graffiti is more like sharing something with people, a picture or a joke for example, whether they want it or not, usually not! unfortunately graffiti by its very nature is illegal, (otherwise it would be called a mural), we dont have to decide what is defacing public (or private) property, and what is art. banksy is just a more talented vandal than most!

Rachel Thomas said...

Hi Mr Bulldog! Apologies for my absence - I've been a busy bee - irritating politicians, arguing with mothers who have no concern for their children's safety, taking photographs and the like. The usual really.

Haha, well send my regards to Frau!

I'm not sure I'd disagree with you likening tagging to animals marking. It's essentially a lazy way of writing "Rachel woz yur on a mission wivout permission, 2 fousand 'n' 8" or wotevea.

I agree graf is about sharing - and you make a good point about whether people want it or not. In the Banksy quote on the post, he talks about corporations shoving their huge slogans down our throats. I for one do not want that, but I have to live with it. I'd much rather look at http://dev.null.org/scrapbook/2005/0805_banksy.jpg than http://www.scaryideas.com/watermark.php?src=248.jpg. Just because something breaks the law, doesn't mean it's not art....

Joe said...

All Banksy's http://www.artofthestate.co.uk/Banksy/banksy.htm

Wooster Collective - http://www.woostercollective.com/

Blu - http://www.blublu.org/sito/video/muto.htm

Art is like fashion, something is only art because someone says it is. If you get enjoyment out of it, then it is art to you.

Rachel Thomas said...

I agree Joe.

And graffiti IS art to me.

Bulldog said...

if somebody graffiti'd a well drawn but rascist picture on a wall opposite a mosque, that'd be different though right? we cant distinguish between one criminal and another on the grounds of personal taste,or artistic merit, what would all the magistrates do all day?

Joe said...


"Art is like fashion, something is only art because someone says it is. If you get enjoyment out of it, then it is art to you."

28 May 2008 10:28

my latest work of art is called "pissed up taffy". I use myself as a canvass, and cheap german beer as a medium.

Rachel Thomas said...

Come to think of it, I don't think I have ever seen racist graffiti...No, and whilst I don't condone any form of racism what so ever, if graffiti can be used as a channel for serious poitical debate so be it. If an artist were to paint a racist image, I would want to have the conversation with the artist and find out why. Racism can often be explained by sheer ignorance and misunderstanding, and my impression is that 'serious' graffiti artists (I include people like Banksy in this group) tend to be rather liberal anyway, and therefore that problem wouldn't crop up.

I see your point about being lenient to some criminals and not others, but doesn't Banksy make a good point about Council's and corporations not liking things that don't make money?? For example, if a graf artist painted something which decpicted how evil McDonalds (ok, let's not open that can of worms again) or Coca Cola, of course the corps aren't gonna like it!! As soon as people start painting the 'truth' about some of the multi-national conglomerates, all the reactionaries come out of the wood work. I personally think that these are debates worth having, and if it's on my garden wall, so be it.

Bulldog said...

These councils are our run by our elected representatives, doing our bidding, and I dont believe the majority want graffiti everywhere, isn't that democracy in action? If every graffiti artist had banksy's ability, things may be different, but the fact that banksy is so famous is testament to the fact that few graffitos have any real talent other than costing tax-payers money! coca cola (dish-water)and muckdonalds pay good money for their advertising space, which we as a society gain from financialy, (If councils do in fact sell advertising space, I always thought billboards were privatly owned)????
the second we start legally distinguishing between banksy, and someone who wants to write "tanya is a slut", or draw a swastika, or semi erect male genitalia, opposite a junior school, what banksy does ceases to be graffiti, and becomes a mural, like the ira pictures on the houses in belfast as an example, they were ALLOWED to do them, so they are political MURALS. graffiti is an anti-social crime because every graffito obviously judges himself talented enough, witty enough, or interesting enough to write on SOMEBODY ELSES PROPERTY when obviously the vast majority have no qualification other than the ability to hold a spray can! personally I'd beat the bejeezus out of anyone who drew a swastika for example on my garden wall, because if I left it there people might start to think I share their racial tendencies, I also wouldn't want to be known as "the guy with the swastika on his wall", and I like my house to look nice, so I'd have to paint over it, which would cost me time and money, some juvenile dickwad doesn't get to decide how I spend either just because he's bored and owns a can of paint.

Rachel Thomas said...

But you're forgetting that Banksy is not the *only* famous graf artist...and remember that graffiti has been around for centuries - in fact there are examples of it from the Roman Empire for example.

I agree that McDs and Killer Coke pay for their advertising space - but my question is this - would you rather look at a deep fried slab of cow caked in mayo in a bun, or a picture that raises important questions about our society?

You say that we as a society gain from these corps paying for this space. Umm....how exactly?

What if the person who wrote 'Tanya is a slut' did it in a way which raises important questions about the socialisation of our young people, or the family unit, or safe sex? What if it was a beautiful picture of a vunerable young girl which sent a very powerful message to the audience...?

If someone drew a swastika on my garden wall, I wouldn't beat the crap out of them. I'd invite another graf artists to come along and either use it to make a political statement (not pro-Nazi of course!), or use it to open a debate. If graffiti gets people thinking about important political issues, I think it's a good thing. I of course wouldn't want to be known as the 'girl with the swastika on her wall', but I'd love to be known as 'the girl with that really interesting pictoral debate on her wall'.

You also said you like your house to look nice - so do I - but isn't that entirely subjective? Just because you don't get an aesthetically pleasing experience from graffiti, doesn't mean that I don't!

Joe said...

Corporations do pay for advertising space, but using the logic you apply to graffiti, I never asked to be advertised at.

Billboards in the UK are owned by a small number of companies, Viacom is one (Owns MTV, Paramount etc), Clear Channel is another which is a virtual monopoly in the US owning approximately 1200 of the nation’s radio stations, 780,000 billboards and 35 TV stations. It is also fundamentally Christian.

Society gains nothing, accept that accept graffiti as a different form of advertising.

Sao Paulo banned outdoor billboards.

Come to think of it, people should combine both and do some billboard liberation.

http://www.urban75.com/Action/factory.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24301298@N08/

As for a Swastika, do what I did take a can of red paint draw a circle around it and put a line through it.

Rachel Thomas said...

Thank you Joe - 2 cracking links :)

Bulldog said...

for every famous and talented graffiti artist, there are probably thousands of morons with a spray can! everyone likes see a things of beauty, "janice has fleas" is not a thing of beauty.
dog-fighting has been around for centuries too, doesn't mean you should force people to look at it.

Sorry I thought banksy's implication was that councils were making money off advertising, and not off graffiti "The people who run our cities don’t understand graffiti because they think nothing has the right to exist unless it makes a profit." which made me wonder if bill boards weren't privately owned?

what if the person who wrote "tanya is a slut", didn't raise any important questions, but was a girl who fancied tanya's boyfriend who lived down the road, why does she get the right to decide if her point is valid enough to damage MY property, and lower the value of My house? what if she decided to show society what it was like to be homeless by smashing your windows? she's be making a valid social point right?
Of course it's your choice whether you leave a swastika on YOUR wall, and it's a matter of taste whether you find it aesthetically pleasing or not, but why should somebody else be allowed to choose what YOUR house looks like? As far as I know, graffiti in itself is not a crime, it's ciminal damage, and criminal damage is a crime. which might mean that the graffiti artist could claim he didn't damage my wall, (I dont even have a garden wall), but he enhanced it! then magistrates could become art critics (or vice versa) and let them go if they liked it, or if it made them think, and lock them up if they didn't? you think that would work?

Rachel Thomas said...

That's very true. And for every painter / sculptor / writer / etc, there are probably thousands of idiots weilding paintbrushes / clay / pens / etc.

To be fair, I think the author of Tanya is a slut is probably raising important questions anyway: why did that individual chose to write that? Was it because he/she has no other outlet for their emotions? Is it because they need someone to talk to? Friends? Family? School? Why did they chose my wall to write it on? What can we do for Tanya? Etc.

Yes, graffiti is classed as criminal damage. But don't we all break laws? Parking illegally? Speeding? Dropping litter? Drinking on the street? Etc....not everything that is illegal is necessarily evil.

Bulldog said...

unfortunately you just rattled of a list of the few rules that I DONT break (drinking in the street is not illegal here);-) but assuming i did those those things, does that give someone the right to damage my property?
I was just out weeding my garden and I couldn't help wondering if you dont actually own your own home, so then I thought that you DO own a car, so what d'you think about someone writting "pedophile" on your bonnet with brake fluid?
I made a social statement when I worked hard, and saved, and bought my house, does that count for nothing?

Rachel Thomas said...

No, it doesn't give someone the RIGHT, but I really wouldn't be that bothered...

No, I don't own my home, I rent it - which in a sense is more complicated! If the property is damaged I won't get my deposit back!!

I do indeed own a car. And my car has been subjected to criminal damage - it's been keyed on both sides (and not even in a straight line!). Sure the paintwork was damaged...but I've grown to love the marks.

I think the likelihood of someone writing that on my bonnet is pretty remote to be honest!!

Of course it counts for something - but if we all expressed ourselves in the same way, life would be so mundane wouldn't it???

Just think, if we did, we'd probably never have these conversations!! :p

Bulldog said...

the likelihood doesn't matter because the debate is fortunately hyperthetical, I don't know anyone called tanya, dont have a garden wall, and living in rural Germany havn't even SEEN ANY graffiti in years! but let's say that you own the same sort of car as the man a couple of doors down, (Probly that slut Tanya's pervert father) who is a pedophile. you'd probly have to buy a new bonnet because other people might think you were the pedophile, and start slashing your tyres!
we have laws, because not everybody has the same morals, or common sense, and so that each person dosn't need their own set of laws based on their own merit and impartial decision making ability, we have to have a "one size fits all" judicial system. and we dont get to choose which laws we break, or which criminal behaviour we over-look!

renting is not "more complicated", if my neighbourhood is SEEN to be turning into a ghetto, because of rascist or abusive graffiti everywhere, I could lose tens of thousands of pounds when I come to sell my house my house. My house could turn a profit or loss depending on whether the neighbours kids decide to "make a statement" with a spraycan or not. that can't be right?

Rachel Thomas said...

I take back my comment about renting being 'more complicated' - although I do think it is *as* complicated. You talk about property value rising and falling because of graf - that's exactly the same for rent and deposits you know!

Anyway, graf isn't *that* difficult to clean off!

Bulldog said...

It would be if I did it, I'd write "MAYBE tanya is a slut" in round-up, (a universal plant killer) in your lawn then much to yours and tanya's chagrin it would slowly turn yellow and eventually brown, but then I'm 'orrible like that! ;-)